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The Electric Bus
7/2/2007 5:47:44 PM
rogerbedell
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The Electric Bus
This post was sent in via email, and reproduced here, from Michael Lucking:
Hi Roger,
Yes, I am proceeding to build an electric bus by manufacturing a diesel to electric conversion kit. I need about $200,000 to build the first one for demonstration. A company out of Vancouver is even promising a better nano battery with results like 100,000 cycles and 1 minute charge time. I have talked to my local bus company and electric company. It all looks good. I have designed the plug and recepticle. The bus plugs into the road at the bus stop. The recepticle is not energized until the bus has communicated with charger, the plug is in place and everything is OK. These fast charge times mean high current chargers, plugs and recepticles.
Metrobus has a run which is 10km round trip. Good for demonstration. Only need one charger and 12 kw-hr nano battery. I am looking for local investors.
Michael Lucking
7/2/2007 5:48:30 PM
rogerbedell
11 posts
Re: The Electric Bus
Michael,
Thanks for you interest in the Nanobus, see
www.nanobus.org
for my take on the whole scheme. I would think the various trolleybus manufacturers would be most interested, since it is a simple upgrade. Trolley bus systems are DC, 650volts. Good charger designs are lacking though.
Roger
7/2/2007 5:49:13 PM
rogerbedell
11 posts
Re: The Electric Bus
This, from Michael:
Roger,
Obviously, we are on the same page.
Battery charger
When I talked to the top tech guy at Newfoundland Power, he was very sure that a 700 kw charger was not a problem. I went extra large on the charger just to get his reaction. I am looking at a direct bolt-in electric motor replacement for the diesel bus and I am not sure what is available in voltage, RPM or HP as a match for the diesel replacement.
Communication between the bus and the charger can start out simple with the bus turning the charger on and off and then evolve into a billing system for the power company as more customers start using the charger. (like taxi cabs).
Battery requirement
We (you and I) seem to be out by a factor of 2 in distance travelled per kw-hr for a city bus.
In my calculation, I did a comparison between the Metrobus ( 12,300 kg (includes average 10 passengers) with actual (Metrobus) mileage of 60 liters per 100 km) with a required range of 10km and the Phoenix SUT (electric) 1,800 kg (includes 95 kg of passengers) with a range of 180 km and a 35 kw-hr battery. I also factored in a 20% improvement in efficiency of the Metrobus over a Jetta diesel when weight adjusted. (This is probably aerodynamics and rolling resistance). I assumed the Phoenix SUT and Jetta diesel to have similar aerodynamics and rolling resistance
That bus you have on your website would have a higher improvement in efficiency ( I guess 30%) because it is even more aerodynamic.
I do think modern electric motors (like Tesla - 85 to 95% efficient ) are an improvement over older motors.
In conclusion. Can you re-assess this discrepancy.
Thanks
Michael
7/2/2007 5:50:24 PM
rogerbedell
11 posts
Re: The Electric Bus
Siemens makes a very good motor, see the Thundervolt at
http://www.isecorp.com/
for more info. ISE has an exclusive license for the NanoSafe for buses etc in North America. Don't know about Europe.
3kW/km was taken from the tbus.org.uk site. Lots of good info there. I saw even less at the swedish tbus paper on
http://www.kfb.se/pdfer/R-00-70.pdf
Electrics are about 2x more efficient than diesel, due to more efficient conversion of power to traction, and regenerative braking.
I would think chargers could have many forms, overhead, undercarriage, sidemount, inductive. They need to be safe, simple, vandal resistant, and preferably cheap.
I'm putting this conversation in Nanobus.org, in the forum section.
Roger
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